Pieface
01-13-2010, 08:01 PM
Not sure how well this would work, but it's something to think about. A lot of vBulletin forums have the Reputation System enabled, which basically means users can give reputation points for certain posts. You can find a more detailed description here:
http://altitudegame.com/forums/faq.php?faq=vb3_user_profile#faq_vb3_reputation
The essence of a reputation system is that positive (or negative if the Admins enable it) reputation points can be given to users for certain posts. If the user gets enough reputation points, then little pretty colored bars appear in their posts that show their reputation. It is easy to tell when reading through the posts which members of the forum are taken more or less seriously based on their reputation. Here are the positives and negatives I see with implementing such a system:
Positives:
This is what the "Junior Member"/"Senior Member" system is already trying to do, but the rankings really aren't taken seriously as it is easy to up your status simply by posting a lot. A well implemented Reputation System would award rankings based on the members who have the most constructive posts.
It would be easy to see when looking through a thread which members are more likely to provide sound, well thought out advice and which ones are posting useless stuff just to get their post count up.
Having Reputation Systems generally seems to improve discussion as a whole. People are less likely to flame or post useless stuff if they know it will hurt their reputation, and are more likely to post constructive comments and advice if they get a reward for helping out.
Negatives:
Reputation Systems are often abused, people give positive reputation to people they like and negative reputation to people they don't, regardless of what the particular post looks like. This could perhaps be solved by having the Admins start a reputation system going, and create a system where only people with "x reputation points" could give others reputation. This would ensure that those who have proven to be constructive in the past would have more weight when awarding reputation points.
Being able to give negative reputation points might create arguments and would result in exactly what the system is trying to prevent. Perhaps disable negative reputation points like the Steam Forums do to fix this problem.
What do I think about all this? To tell you the truth, I'm really not sure. On the one hand, such a system if implemented correctly would reward people for being constructive (maybe only award reputation in non - Water Cooler forums so the Water Cooler truly remains a place to talk about whatever's on your mind). I was hoping that after posting this up I'd hear some arguments for or against that would persuade me one way or the other, since I really can't decide which way is better. I've seen a lot of forums that are really benefited by having the Reputation System (Apple Discussions for example), but there are also those where it only creates problems.
If it is done right, having such a system might encourage people to post real suggestions or feedback instead of the "Make Altitude 3D please!!!!!" posts that are flooding the forums at the moment. Any feedback?
http://altitudegame.com/forums/faq.php?faq=vb3_user_profile#faq_vb3_reputation
The essence of a reputation system is that positive (or negative if the Admins enable it) reputation points can be given to users for certain posts. If the user gets enough reputation points, then little pretty colored bars appear in their posts that show their reputation. It is easy to tell when reading through the posts which members of the forum are taken more or less seriously based on their reputation. Here are the positives and negatives I see with implementing such a system:
Positives:
This is what the "Junior Member"/"Senior Member" system is already trying to do, but the rankings really aren't taken seriously as it is easy to up your status simply by posting a lot. A well implemented Reputation System would award rankings based on the members who have the most constructive posts.
It would be easy to see when looking through a thread which members are more likely to provide sound, well thought out advice and which ones are posting useless stuff just to get their post count up.
Having Reputation Systems generally seems to improve discussion as a whole. People are less likely to flame or post useless stuff if they know it will hurt their reputation, and are more likely to post constructive comments and advice if they get a reward for helping out.
Negatives:
Reputation Systems are often abused, people give positive reputation to people they like and negative reputation to people they don't, regardless of what the particular post looks like. This could perhaps be solved by having the Admins start a reputation system going, and create a system where only people with "x reputation points" could give others reputation. This would ensure that those who have proven to be constructive in the past would have more weight when awarding reputation points.
Being able to give negative reputation points might create arguments and would result in exactly what the system is trying to prevent. Perhaps disable negative reputation points like the Steam Forums do to fix this problem.
What do I think about all this? To tell you the truth, I'm really not sure. On the one hand, such a system if implemented correctly would reward people for being constructive (maybe only award reputation in non - Water Cooler forums so the Water Cooler truly remains a place to talk about whatever's on your mind). I was hoping that after posting this up I'd hear some arguments for or against that would persuade me one way or the other, since I really can't decide which way is better. I've seen a lot of forums that are really benefited by having the Reputation System (Apple Discussions for example), but there are also those where it only creates problems.
If it is done right, having such a system might encourage people to post real suggestions or feedback instead of the "Make Altitude 3D please!!!!!" posts that are flooding the forums at the moment. Any feedback?
Vi*
01-13-2010, 08:15 PM
The Altitude community is small enough that we already have an effective reputation system in place-- all the active posters recognize each other.
Ajuk999
01-13-2010, 08:22 PM
I think this idea is great. I have seen many forums were the reputation system is enabled. I believe Steam has that system and it seems to work real fine with them. I'm for this all the way, but I can see how people can be mad at someone, and give them an "negative reputation" just because they don't like the person, that would cause a lot of havoc. But other than that, this System sounds pretty solid. I can see what you posted, what are the pros and cons of it, I am looking forward to this, more people will begin to make their posts constructive, and it will be fun, and a challenge. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS. Hope to see this well implemented. I hope it will make Altitude a better community!
Pieface
01-13-2010, 08:27 PM
Vi does have a point though, almost every active forum that implements this system has a much larger member base which makes it difficult to keep track of them all. The reputation system was definitely programmed in order to cater to forums with a much bigger community.
Maybe we should wait a while... until Altitude takes over the world!
Maybe we should wait a while... until Altitude takes over the world!
wolf'j'max
01-13-2010, 09:14 PM
Since i have been on much vbulletin forums i think i can see the point of adding this feature. But not in a still small community as altitude. Who knows if some troll like wood or olbermann (no offense intended) comes back and gives everyone a bad reputation. There will only become new threads about "why a reputation system" with posts that are only going to cause swearing and hatred.
Edit: after reading my post again i guess it was a bit too much for a first post. Since it could be a good idea, maybe if someone is able to add the feature we could try it in the "general" forum section for a week or so to see what the reaction is.
Edit: after reading my post again i guess it was a bit too much for a first post. Since it could be a good idea, maybe if someone is able to add the feature we could try it in the "general" forum section for a week or so to see what the reaction is.
innerlyte
01-13-2010, 10:36 PM
I agree with Vi. A Reputation System isn't absolutely necessary at this point. The current system does seem a little odd though when I see members who joined in December already achieving Senior Member status :confused:
combat
01-13-2010, 10:42 PM
I agree with Vi. A Reputation System isn't absolutely necessary at this point. The current system does seem a little odd though when I see members who joined in December already achieving Senior Member status :confused:
Either do a small trial of the rep system, or stretch out the current titles.
Maybe Member-200 posts Senior-500 posts?
But don't get me wrong, I think the rep system is cool.
Either do a small trial of the rep system, or stretch out the current titles.
Maybe Member-200 posts Senior-500 posts?
But don't get me wrong, I think the rep system is cool.
nesnl
01-13-2010, 11:08 PM
The reason I don't like this is because, first, the forums population is so small (as has been stated) that this would do almost nothing in terms of giving me useful information about someone. With this few people I already know who the trolls are, as do most everyone else. Second, it just creates a system of rewarding people for posting. It is introducing an unnecessary "WoW" like system, which is hard for some people to resist. If it looks like you are "earning" something then there will be people trying to do whatever it takes to becomes "the best poster."
As a side note, I found it funny that wolf'j'max mentions that "olbermann might come back" when he doesn't even realize that 2 posts above him "Ajuk999" is actually the 7th account of olbermann.
As a side note, I found it funny that wolf'j'max mentions that "olbermann might come back" when he doesn't even realize that 2 posts above him "Ajuk999" is actually the 7th account of olbermann.
wolf'j'max
01-13-2010, 11:10 PM
I totally agree with maimer about the WoW part and about ajuk being olbermann. I read it somewhere but i guess i forgot about it :p there is also a guy that called his account: last one, i promise. If i can take a guess i think that that is wood.
Torrent
01-13-2010, 11:13 PM
if you have read the forum rules it says dont promote the use of a REPUTATION system
im guessing its fun to use and all but i would love to keep the forums small unlike the team liquid site
im guessing its fun to use and all but i would love to keep the forums small unlike the team liquid site
Pieface
01-13-2010, 11:27 PM
Yeah, I'm leaning toward abandoning the idea at least until the community becomes a good deal larger. It's a great system for forums big enough that you don't know the reputation within the forum of a particular member, but in a board as small as this one I guess it isn't really important, just a gimmick. I also tend to think that if we were to simply raise the post number needed to become a senior member then that would just encourage people to make more useless posts, which would sort of defeat the point.
if you have read the forum rules it says dont promote the use of a REPUTATION system
The Forum Rules say "Don't abuse or encourage abuse of the Reputation System," not "Don't discuss putting a reputation system into place." Come to think of it, I should probably take that line out of the rules since we don't even have a rep system atm. I guess it could apply though to abusing the Junior/Senior Member system we have in place at the moment.
if you have read the forum rules it says dont promote the use of a REPUTATION system
The Forum Rules say "Don't abuse or encourage abuse of the Reputation System," not "Don't discuss putting a reputation system into place." Come to think of it, I should probably take that line out of the rules since we don't even have a rep system atm. I guess it could apply though to abusing the Junior/Senior Member system we have in place at the moment.
tgleaf
01-13-2010, 11:50 PM
I agree with Vi*. And I think that with our small user base, the potential for popularity contests is large, and thus such a system might be abused.
Snowsickle
01-14-2010, 12:04 AM
I don't think I've ever seen the reputation system offer meaningful information, even on some of the best forums I've visited. People begin to think of certain posters as "cool" and give positive reputation for even the most useless posts while downrating people they disagree with. Furthermore, it encourages people posting for the sake of impressing others, and it discourages people from posting anything that could be even remotely controversial. Personal bias tends to put an end to reputation systems very quickly.
Beagle
01-14-2010, 01:12 AM
The last thing the Altitude Game: Forums need is more drama.
You know in your heart a reputation system would add to that hugely.
You know in your heart a reputation system would add to that hugely.
Massi
01-14-2010, 05:05 AM
I agree I think it would be fun but people would do anything to be "the best poster" maybe just raise the post count like combat posted.
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