V97
12-23-2009, 01:33 AM
I think that some sort of tutor program would be really useful to people who have just started. You could have one thread which allowed potential tutors to state why their qualified as tutors, then a selection process. Then another thread letting in apprentices, who would then be assigned to tutors, and then weekly meeting times could be worked out between the two.
Is this possible to implement?
Is this possible to implement?
Ajuk999
12-23-2009, 01:36 AM
A lot of work would be put to that, it would be great though....
Beagle
12-23-2009, 08:53 AM
I've seen this in more complicated games, particularly RTS games. I think it's a fantastic idea, a great way for rooks to get their head in the right direction, and a good way for vets to train up new talent.
Regardless of all that, what's more Dogfighty than the Ace and his rookies? Very suitable for Altitude I think.
Anyway, when I saw a mentoring program for an RTS, Supreme Commander, they didn't just do 1-1; each mentor ended up taking on 3 or 4 FNGs. In a game like Altitude I can see that working VERY well - you can train 4 almost as quickly as you can train 1, and you've got a group so if you want to split them up into teams for exercises, its a snap.
Anyway, this is a lot of rambling and no actual help for your project, so I'll put my hand up to train some rooks in Rev and HC if you want. I mean, I can train them in anything, but Rev and HC would obviously be my speciality.
Great idea, V97!
Regardless of all that, what's more Dogfighty than the Ace and his rookies? Very suitable for Altitude I think.
Anyway, when I saw a mentoring program for an RTS, Supreme Commander, they didn't just do 1-1; each mentor ended up taking on 3 or 4 FNGs. In a game like Altitude I can see that working VERY well - you can train 4 almost as quickly as you can train 1, and you've got a group so if you want to split them up into teams for exercises, its a snap.
Anyway, this is a lot of rambling and no actual help for your project, so I'll put my hand up to train some rooks in Rev and HC if you want. I mean, I can train them in anything, but Rev and HC would obviously be my speciality.
Great idea, V97!
Stormich
12-23-2009, 08:55 AM
This is an awesome idea but I think I'm to bad to be giving out advice, people might just suck even more :D
V97
12-23-2009, 05:45 PM
I like the idea of having more than one apprentice per tutor, although i'd be curious to know exactly how many people would be willing to be tutor and be tutored. Maybe we could make a poll?
Thanks for the positive reception guys =D
Thanks for the positive reception guys =D
lamster
12-23-2009, 06:05 PM
I really like this idea but I'm not sure how best to implement such a system.
Altitude is pretty fast paced, so new players often have trouble keeping up with the chat logs, and usually don't have time to do a lot of chatting themselves.
Could you give some more details about how it works in Supreme Commander and other games where it's been used effectively?
Altitude is pretty fast paced, so new players often have trouble keeping up with the chat logs, and usually don't have time to do a lot of chatting themselves.
Could you give some more details about how it works in Supreme Commander and other games where it's been used effectively?
V97
12-23-2009, 07:35 PM
I don't know about other games, but I do know that the training probably wouldn't take place in real servers- most of it would be one on one in private servers or empty servers, i guess.
Beagle
12-24-2009, 01:28 PM
http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=327396
Knock yourself out, thats the Supreme Commander mentoring program for reference.
Back to the world of Altitude, I don't think it'd be complicated to set up such a system at all. Its as simple as grouping up rooks with teachers and then they work out times amongst themselves to get in a server together.
If you'd like to start right now, why not set up a thread where Mentors and Mentees can sign up, like in the above link?
Knock yourself out, thats the Supreme Commander mentoring program for reference.
Back to the world of Altitude, I don't think it'd be complicated to set up such a system at all. Its as simple as grouping up rooks with teachers and then they work out times amongst themselves to get in a server together.
If you'd like to start right now, why not set up a thread where Mentors and Mentees can sign up, like in the above link?
[Y]
12-24-2009, 02:26 PM
This idea is a great way for new players to get their skill level up fast and not get frustrated by 2/3 shot deaths. But I'm wondering, what are the limits/specifications of a "Mentees"? I am a relatively new player (since november) and I'm not bad, but my sniplane skills could use some boosting from the king of sniplanes himself. =D
Beagle
12-24-2009, 02:43 PM
;27922']This idea is a great way for new players to get their skill level up fast and not get frustrated by 2/3 shot deaths. But I'm wondering, what are the limits/specifications of a "Mentees"? I am a relatively new player (since november) and I'm not bad, but my sniplane skills could use some boosting from the king of sniplanes himself. =D
That's up to us decide. I guess first-come, first-served could work quite nicely. I'm sure we won't get flooded with so many mentees that we can't take them all anyway!
That's up to us decide. I guess first-come, first-served could work quite nicely. I'm sure we won't get flooded with so many mentees that we can't take them all anyway!
V97
12-24-2009, 03:30 PM
The program shouldn't just be for leveling though- for instance, I'm already level 60, but i'm nowhere near the skill level of some other people in various other clans, or even in my own clan I'm far outclassed by most.
I think that maybe there could be two programs- one focused on leveling up people who have literally just started, and one that's focused on people who have already reached level sixty, who have one plane in mind, and to hone their skills with just thaat plane, or even one specific combination of perks.
I think that maybe there could be two programs- one focused on leveling up people who have literally just started, and one that's focused on people who have already reached level sixty, who have one plane in mind, and to hone their skills with just thaat plane, or even one specific combination of perks.
Beagle
12-24-2009, 03:35 PM
I didn't think levelling entered the equation at any point here. Until the steam release levels were by and large meaningless; non-60s were rare, and so for me at least, someone being level 60 means diddily squat.
Nobody needs a mentor to get to 60, it's easy as pie. If we're going to be seeking the help of the best players in the community, we have to be realistic and realise that the less time of theirs we take, the happier they'll be and the more likely they are to make all the engagements they promise. Altitude isn't a job, and mentoring should be no different (unless they're getting paid for their time. Then it is a job, and a damn good one.)
The way that ties into mentoring is I don't think totally new players would gain anything from mentors, so we'd be wasting everybody's time. You can pick up the basics easily enough on your own, its the advanced tactics, instincts and mindsets that need to be taught.
Nobody needs a mentor to get to 60, it's easy as pie. If we're going to be seeking the help of the best players in the community, we have to be realistic and realise that the less time of theirs we take, the happier they'll be and the more likely they are to make all the engagements they promise. Altitude isn't a job, and mentoring should be no different (unless they're getting paid for their time. Then it is a job, and a damn good one.)
The way that ties into mentoring is I don't think totally new players would gain anything from mentors, so we'd be wasting everybody's time. You can pick up the basics easily enough on your own, its the advanced tactics, instincts and mindsets that need to be taught.
[Y]
12-24-2009, 04:29 PM
this is all theory- is this idea ready for realitiy testing? if so, V97 maybe you should start a thread somewhere for sign-ups?
one problem tho...
most new players don't visit the forums at all, so lam and karl would have to put an in-game notification of this mentor program
one problem tho...
most new players don't visit the forums at all, so lam and karl would have to put an in-game notification of this mentor program
Beagle
12-24-2009, 04:35 PM
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one problem tho...
most new players don't visit the forums at all, so lam and karl would have to put an in-game notification of this mentor program
That would cause a flood of very new players clamoring for advanced support.
I think the forum thing works out well. Players who are serious enough to come on the forums are serious enough to learn from mentors. This might sound a bit judgemental but I think you'd get a lot of players just looking for an easy way to become pro overnight if you told everyone in the game there was a mentoring system. It'd be chaos.
one problem tho...
most new players don't visit the forums at all, so lam and karl would have to put an in-game notification of this mentor program
That would cause a flood of very new players clamoring for advanced support.
I think the forum thing works out well. Players who are serious enough to come on the forums are serious enough to learn from mentors. This might sound a bit judgemental but I think you'd get a lot of players just looking for an easy way to become pro overnight if you told everyone in the game there was a mentoring system. It'd be chaos.
V97
12-24-2009, 05:33 PM
I would be nowhere near qualified to start this program myself, if we were to carry through with it- I only suggested it partly because i would benefit a lot from something like it.
I also agree with Beagle, maybe leveling isn't an issue- it is relatively easy to get to 60. I know i got in within a week.
I also agree with Beagle, maybe leveling isn't an issue- it is relatively easy to get to 60. I know i got in within a week.
[Y]
12-24-2009, 06:21 PM
Alright maybe Beagle can do it =D
He is a well-respected member of the altitude community and is less likely to get flamed.
He is a well-respected member of the altitude community and is less likely to get flamed.
evilarsenal
12-24-2009, 06:52 PM
ill do it if i get paid
[Y]
12-24-2009, 06:55 PM
No one is gonna pay money to get tutored in a computer game that they play for fun. I understand a starcraft academy in Korea, but that's only bcuz starcraft is such a huge part of Korean gaming and they have real teams that live together in the same house and compete for money and whatnot.
Beagle
12-24-2009, 07:57 PM
hey, hey, nobody is forcing you to hire evilarsenal. he's just offering his services, very kindly.
[Y]
12-25-2009, 03:21 AM
oh wow
didn't see how bad i sounded until i just reread it
didnt mean to sound like that- sry arsenal =D
didn't see how bad i sounded until i just reread it
didnt mean to sound like that- sry arsenal =D
tgleaf
12-25-2009, 03:43 AM
That would cause a flood of very new players clamoring for advanced support.
I think the forum thing works out well. Players who are serious enough to come on the forums are serious enough to learn from mentors. This might sound a bit judgemental but I think you'd get a lot of players just looking for an easy way to become pro overnight if you told everyone in the game there was a mentoring system. It'd be chaos.
I agree. I also think that the Official Guides to various planes and modes are a huge help to hardened players looking for a few more ways to shine. The guides weren't much help until I had a good sense for the controls and various planes and could understand them. Now I find myself combing through them for great ideas. [Aside: look for the comprehensive Guide to Ball to be posted in the new few days.]
That being said, written guides aren't for everyone. I know a lot of tutoring/mentoring happens within clans, so maybe we're just thinking for players who aren't brand new to Altitude but also haven't joined a clan?
As a teacher in real life, I'd be happy to mentor players in acid loopy or in BALL in general.
I think the forum thing works out well. Players who are serious enough to come on the forums are serious enough to learn from mentors. This might sound a bit judgemental but I think you'd get a lot of players just looking for an easy way to become pro overnight if you told everyone in the game there was a mentoring system. It'd be chaos.
I agree. I also think that the Official Guides to various planes and modes are a huge help to hardened players looking for a few more ways to shine. The guides weren't much help until I had a good sense for the controls and various planes and could understand them. Now I find myself combing through them for great ideas. [Aside: look for the comprehensive Guide to Ball to be posted in the new few days.]
That being said, written guides aren't for everyone. I know a lot of tutoring/mentoring happens within clans, so maybe we're just thinking for players who aren't brand new to Altitude but also haven't joined a clan?
As a teacher in real life, I'd be happy to mentor players in acid loopy or in BALL in general.
V97
12-25-2009, 06:19 PM
So, is anyone interested in starting the appropriate thread? I would do it myself, but like I said, I would ideally be signing up as a tutee, so I'm not the best person to be masterminding the whole operation.
[Y]
12-25-2009, 08:09 PM
I nominate bagle to do it.
Beagle
12-26-2009, 07:44 AM
I could start a thread with a start point of the 6th of January, seeing as thats when my internet becomes uncapped.
I might be travelling abroad for a while in January, though, so if I find out more about that in the next few days that could impact on my ability to mentor. I can still help mentors and mentees find each other though.
I might be travelling abroad for a while in January, though, so if I find out more about that in the next few days that could impact on my ability to mentor. I can still help mentors and mentees find each other though.
V97
12-26-2009, 03:06 PM
Even if you end up not being able to, it's really nice of you to offer.
Thanks a lot, beagle =D
Thanks a lot, beagle =D
Beagle
12-26-2009, 06:07 PM
No worries!
I'll get on it in the next day or two once I work out how it should be done.
I'll get on it in the next day or two once I work out how it should be done.
Stormich
12-26-2009, 06:50 PM
If anyone wants me I could do this I guess. An advance warning, I can easily turn into a c**t lol
[Y]
12-27-2009, 12:49 AM
If anyone wants me I could do this I guess. An advance warning, I can easily turn into a c**t lol
''Why the **** do you suck so much!!! I'm embarassed to be your mentor!!!! leave and never come back!!!"
''Why the **** do you suck so much!!! I'm embarassed to be your mentor!!!! leave and never come back!!!"
V97
12-27-2009, 02:16 AM
Okay Beagle, it's great that you've taken on this project, but don't feel any rush at all to get it done- and also don't feel like you can't back out.
It's great that this might turn into something :D
It's great that this might turn into something :D
[Y]
12-27-2009, 03:24 AM
I really like this idea but I'm not sure how best to implement such a system.
The fact that lamster likes this idea is a good sign of its prosperity.
Now we just need some pros who are willing to better altitude by teaching the bomb-camping bomb-wasting new players how to stop pissing off everyone else with their antics.
The fact that lamster likes this idea is a good sign of its prosperity.
Now we just need some pros who are willing to better altitude by teaching the bomb-camping bomb-wasting new players how to stop pissing off everyone else with their antics.
V97
12-31-2009, 09:22 PM
Great
I guess Beagle's going to do this sometime in the new year, but like i said, there's no rush.
Happy new year :D
I guess Beagle's going to do this sometime in the new year, but like i said, there's no rush.
Happy new year :D
Beagle
01-01-2010, 06:42 PM
I'm planning to start this on the 6th, which is when my internet speed is restored, otherwise doing things gets really sluggish.
Happy new year!
Happy new year!
innerlyte
01-01-2010, 07:26 PM
Cool idea :D
I'm actually in the process now of writing a non plane specific guide to general "pro" play. Perhaps mentees would find it a useful reference in conjunction with live mentoring.
-redshift
I'm actually in the process now of writing a non plane specific guide to general "pro" play. Perhaps mentees would find it a useful reference in conjunction with live mentoring.
-redshift
V97
01-03-2010, 07:44 PM
Does anyone know if Beagle's coming back? :(
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